I also just thought I'd comment on my philosophy when it comes to designing logos in photoshop vs. illustrator. While I can appreciate the benefits of doing things in the vector format, I'd much rather have the pixel-basis ease of editing you get with photoshop. Vectors are too limited in what you can actually represent graphically, and in photoshop if you simply design at a very high resolution, it's almost as good as having a vector for all intents and purposes. I did both these logos at a resolution whereby they would be 10 feet if printed at 100%. Things always scale down nicely, so I just design at a very high resolution.